A few requested the links to the podcast.

https://fittofightfire.com/2018/04/18/episode-027-curt-isakson/

https://countyfiretactics.com/2018/04/16/gallons-per-second-at-pdx-2018/

http://www.brothersinbattlellc.com/refined-by-fire-podcast/episode-7-curt-isakson