Did you tell me your kid was in there when I pulled up?
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The room looks survivable to me. Looks like a good spot to do a VES… maybe have a charged hand line ready by the window if staffing allows.
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I’m in agreement with the previous two statements. I would do a quick VES, with a charged handline at the ready in the window in case the scene ugly. Quick in and out, but only if there is a report of someone possibly in the building, as this looks to be the only room that would have a survivable chance, all other areas are off limits. If no reported victims or occupants, the whole building is off limits,.
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Absolutely!!! That may be the only survivable room in the entire house. We absolutely need to make that room and confirm that there are no occupants trapped in side. It’s what we do!
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You have to at least attempt it, we won’t know until we break the window open. Seeing this as I walk up tells me Yes it is a candidate for VES, but until the window is opened up and we see what the conditions do in the first 15 seconds then we will not know for sure. At this point, there is potential survivable space in that room.
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Yes. Hoseline supported VES would be ideal. It’s likely a living room or den, but it’s the only uninvolved room. If there’s a chance, give it.
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if we are looking at the “A” side look to the “B” side. Note fire coming throught another window. With out a dought when the window in the room of question is taken the fire will draw there. I think checking the room with a TIC is a great start. If a signature of concern is noted a 2” line might be the best bet to cover the rescue entry and exit through the window
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The fire you see is another room on b/c corner. Still Great observation. I do agree with the amount of fire in building a line is not a bad idea. Thanks for posting.
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The TIC won’t read through the glass, it will only reflect the image back. If your going to take the window to give it a look through the TIC, and don’t get the door closed, you are going to draw fire. Either way, you better be ready to make the grab if someone is in that room.
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Yes, VES, without hesitation.
If you’re in doubt, stay out.
It’s dark (night time) most “normal” people are sleeping then, over grown foliage with windows that are intact … maybe a lazy home owner, and not an abandoned structure. Back to the windows, they are single hung, two of them side by side, you could say it may be a living room, but it matches the footprint of the windows above them. I was guessing this was the B or D side, before Curt stated it, based on the slope of the roof. Gables usually are on the entrance side so rain water runoff goes away from the entrances. Why is all this important? Because your first priority when you VES is making the door, and closing it … can’t do that if this is a living room, you just created another chimney in this already rippin ass fire.
Curious though, the entire second floor is lit up, but the first isn’t, wonder where the point of origin was (second floor, or first floor with balloon frame?).
Anyway, VES this ricky tic, because if anyone is alive in this structure it will be in that room.
Nice picture brother Curt … I got some video for you …
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VES is mandatory. If your staffing or job won’t allow a first floor VES this simple, change where you work immediately. Looking at one picture, it is always an open debate, but by breaking what we do down to the simplest of priorities, life is always our highest priority. Props to Ric for bringing in the necessities…close the door!
On a side note, if this is your windshield view upon arrival, you have precious minutes to make this room. You better have a sharp crew for this one. How long will a 360 take here? How long to get the first line in position? How long till the engine chauffeur gets positive? How far out are your first due truck and/or rescue? How many minutes till the next pump arrives?
While all those questions matter, what matters most is what decisions you make in the next 2-3 minutes. If you choose to wait or be indecisive, you will have to face yourself sooner or later. Nice pic to get the conversation going.
Stay sharp, stay safe, stay low
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It depends on how you define search. Will you take long enough to look under every thing probably not. If it is hoseline supported then the options are better.
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A photo is a millisecond of time so it\’s always hard to say…Looking at a glance from the comfort of my couch, in my air conditioned home(yes I\’m not at work!) while sipping a cold drink…sure! \”You be a puss if ya didn’t” right?!
BUT put yourself in the scenario and someone is telling you they know the fam is out of town but hey aren’t sure the husband is home or even went with them? ( similar to a call I was driving for a year or so ago in my dept, a VES was denied by the OIC, and a man was later found)…and this is what you see as you pull the brake?… game time.
You only have maybe 2 minutes to have any sort of chance. THIS FIRE IS A HOT, RAPID event and it\’s gonna come at you FAST. Be ready. I\’m not sure if it\’ even survivable, but what I learned was YOU ALWAYS TRY! No opportunity passed and always give it the all you would for your own family…regardless of ANY state laws ignorant SOG’s or OIC’s.
So, YES I would search the room and YES it would be dangerous…
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The room still looks viable, but it better be quick. Fire blowing from Alpha, Bravo and Delta sides. Open that window and it won’t be long. Great pic.
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Of course, it’s difficult to judge by a picture, but if the 1st floor window that has no fire is a bedroom, there should be enough of a draft provided by those that are venting to allow a rapid entry and search of the uninvolved area (under the protection of a charged handline).
Structural stability is a major factor here, as well as the availability of adequate resources. The risk is considerable and decision-making time is compressed. There is high potential for disaster if not properly managed. Experience level of responders is another critical factor. There’s no time for dicking around.
This can get “jacked up” in an instant.
Did you tell me your kid was in there when I pulled up?
The room looks survivable to me. Looks like a good spot to do a VES… maybe have a charged hand line ready by the window if staffing allows.
I’m in agreement with the previous two statements. I would do a quick VES, with a charged handline at the ready in the window in case the scene ugly. Quick in and out, but only if there is a report of someone possibly in the building, as this looks to be the only room that would have a survivable chance, all other areas are off limits. If no reported victims or occupants, the whole building is off limits,.
Absolutely!!! That may be the only survivable room in the entire house. We absolutely need to make that room and confirm that there are no occupants trapped in side. It’s what we do!
You have to at least attempt it, we won’t know until we break the window open. Seeing this as I walk up tells me Yes it is a candidate for VES, but until the window is opened up and we see what the conditions do in the first 15 seconds then we will not know for sure. At this point, there is potential survivable space in that room.
Yes. Hoseline supported VES would be ideal. It’s likely a living room or den, but it’s the only uninvolved room. If there’s a chance, give it.
if we are looking at the “A” side look to the “B” side. Note fire coming throught another window. With out a dought when the window in the room of question is taken the fire will draw there. I think checking the room with a TIC is a great start. If a signature of concern is noted a 2” line might be the best bet to cover the rescue entry and exit through the window
The fire you see is another room on b/c corner. Still Great observation. I do agree with the amount of fire in building a line is not a bad idea. Thanks for posting.
The TIC won’t read through the glass, it will only reflect the image back. If your going to take the window to give it a look through the TIC, and don’t get the door closed, you are going to draw fire. Either way, you better be ready to make the grab if someone is in that room.
Yes, VES, without hesitation.
If you’re in doubt, stay out.
It’s dark (night time) most “normal” people are sleeping then, over grown foliage with windows that are intact … maybe a lazy home owner, and not an abandoned structure. Back to the windows, they are single hung, two of them side by side, you could say it may be a living room, but it matches the footprint of the windows above them. I was guessing this was the B or D side, before Curt stated it, based on the slope of the roof. Gables usually are on the entrance side so rain water runoff goes away from the entrances. Why is all this important? Because your first priority when you VES is making the door, and closing it … can’t do that if this is a living room, you just created another chimney in this already rippin ass fire.
Curious though, the entire second floor is lit up, but the first isn’t, wonder where the point of origin was (second floor, or first floor with balloon frame?).
Anyway, VES this ricky tic, because if anyone is alive in this structure it will be in that room.
Nice picture brother Curt … I got some video for you …
VES is mandatory. If your staffing or job won’t allow a first floor VES this simple, change where you work immediately. Looking at one picture, it is always an open debate, but by breaking what we do down to the simplest of priorities, life is always our highest priority. Props to Ric for bringing in the necessities…close the door!
On a side note, if this is your windshield view upon arrival, you have precious minutes to make this room. You better have a sharp crew for this one. How long will a 360 take here? How long to get the first line in position? How long till the engine chauffeur gets positive? How far out are your first due truck and/or rescue? How many minutes till the next pump arrives?
While all those questions matter, what matters most is what decisions you make in the next 2-3 minutes. If you choose to wait or be indecisive, you will have to face yourself sooner or later. Nice pic to get the conversation going.
Stay sharp, stay safe, stay low
It depends on how you define search. Will you take long enough to look under every thing probably not. If it is hoseline supported then the options are better.
A photo is a millisecond of time so it\’s always hard to say…Looking at a glance from the comfort of my couch, in my air conditioned home(yes I\’m not at work!) while sipping a cold drink…sure! \”You be a puss if ya didn’t” right?!
BUT put yourself in the scenario and someone is telling you they know the fam is out of town but hey aren’t sure the husband is home or even went with them? ( similar to a call I was driving for a year or so ago in my dept, a VES was denied by the OIC, and a man was later found)…and this is what you see as you pull the brake?… game time.
You only have maybe 2 minutes to have any sort of chance. THIS FIRE IS A HOT, RAPID event and it\’s gonna come at you FAST. Be ready. I\’m not sure if it\’ even survivable, but what I learned was YOU ALWAYS TRY! No opportunity passed and always give it the all you would for your own family…regardless of ANY state laws ignorant SOG’s or OIC’s.
So, YES I would search the room and YES it would be dangerous…
Great responses!
The room still looks viable, but it better be quick. Fire blowing from Alpha, Bravo and Delta sides. Open that window and it won’t be long. Great pic.
Of course, it’s difficult to judge by a picture, but if the 1st floor window that has no fire is a bedroom, there should be enough of a draft provided by those that are venting to allow a rapid entry and search of the uninvolved area (under the protection of a charged handline).
Structural stability is a major factor here, as well as the availability of adequate resources. The risk is considerable and decision-making time is compressed. There is high potential for disaster if not properly managed. Experience level of responders is another critical factor. There’s no time for dicking around.
This can get “jacked up” in an instant.